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The Australian Holiday Working Visa

Lianne: [00:00:00] hello everybody. And welcome to small Wells podcast. I am one of your hosts, Leighann Davidson,

Corey: [00:00:27] choreo Flanigan.

Lianne: [00:00:28] And today we have a very, very, very special guest, mrs. Hannah Bruschi. One of my good friends from Ireland who I’m our loop. Exactly, exactly who I met in Canada, who is currently doing a working holiday visa industry,

Corey: [00:00:48] which is why we are here with Hannah.

Hannah. Welcome.

Hannah: [00:00:51] Hi guys.

Lianne: [00:00:52] She’s feeling sufficiently awkward, which makes us feel great because we

Corey: [00:00:57] well, right off the bat, I think this might be our latest recording and also our deepest into wine. And we’re going to take you on a, on a windy journey here through the Australian work visa, because I, as an American have no fucking idea about these things

Lianne: [00:01:13] as an old American young Americans now, but also

Hannah: [00:01:16] I’ve

Lianne: [00:01:16] only been in Australia for three

Corey: [00:01:18] months, most middle aged American.

And the thing is, is that we’ve got Leanne, who’s been there, done it. Hannah, who is at the very beginning. She’s at the precipice, if you will.

Hannah: [00:01:29] I suppose.

Lianne: [00:01:29] Well, very jealous. Cause we love Australia.

Hannah: [00:01:33] I’ll just marry everyone and get you all of these, those frustrating. When I got residency,

Corey: [00:01:38] I’m very curious about these work visas because obviously you guys have been doing them.

Land’s been leaning on him heavy for the last five years and Hannah for like the last three.

Hannah: [00:01:48] Three.

Corey: [00:01:49] She was in Canada’s somewhat legally for awhile.

Lianne: [00:01:54] I think for people who don’t know of working holiday visa is defined. We have touched about this in previous episodes, but it’s basically a initiative or it’s an organization between countries where people under a certain age, usually 31, but sometimes 35. They can go on temporarily work and holiday in a country.

Usually for one to two years, it’s an, a really great initiative to go travel, save some money on, get the open door for a resident. Do we know the list of countries that are part of this there’s around 30, most of the EU? Yeah. Most of the year included, uh, Japan, some of the South America now, North America, um, in particular, not Mexico, sadly, but Canada and America can.

Um, there’s, there’s a whole heap of countries that you wouldn’t say

Hannah: [00:02:44] some European countries. It’s harder to get visas for different countries. Like Spain. It’s hard to get visas for both Australia and Canada. If there is a list that you can get on

Lianne: [00:02:56] sometimes as a pool with X amount of visas that are referred a year.

Um, example of strains against Canada is, well, it wasn’t limited. I think it’s different now. We’ll have to fact check that one

Hannah: [00:03:06] 10 times. Visa is released every year for Canada.

Lianne: [00:03:09] Whereas Firestone for England is full a thousand American Zehr,

Corey: [00:03:14] 10,000, just for Irish,

Hannah: [00:03:15] just for

Corey: [00:03:16] Irish people in Australia.

Hannah: [00:03:18] It could be unlimited, to be honest, ,

Lianne: [00:03:22] there’s

Hannah: [00:03:22] 4 million Irish in Ireland and this 4 million Irish

Lianne: [00:03:25] abroad.

Corey: [00:03:27] This is reciprocal.

Lianne: [00:03:28] Yeah. Well,

Hannah: [00:03:30] no, because

Lianne: [00:03:31] actually really difficult to get visa and then an Island.

Hannah: [00:03:34] So for Irish people, you. Can travel

Lianne: [00:03:38] all over

Hannah: [00:03:39] the world. It’s one of the most powerful visas in the world. But when you go to Australia, for example, when you get the working holiday visa, you don’t get Medicare.

So you have to have travel insurance that supports your health needs and whatever, but that’s reciprocal. When Australians come to Ireland, they don’t get the same health care benefits. Yeah. Yeah. But if you were

Lianne: [00:03:58] in England or if you’re from France, uh, not Spain. And it’s and get the health care. Um, but if you’re from France, maybe Italy, Germany, you get the Medico, which is free healthcare in Australia.

Uh, you do not need travel insurance. This is a hot tip. If you are thinking of doing a working holiday visa in Australia and which you should, because you are in a shit ton of money and it’s beautiful. If you are from the, from the right allocated country, you can get free Medicare. So I flipped out a flight to him for my first year on travel.

Insurance did not need it because actually I just got it for free with my Medica, not free it’s tax based, but.

Corey: [00:04:38] Yeah. Anyway, I’m curious how you found out about it. Cause this is something that’s new to my knowledge as a, as a, you know, on the precipice of being middle-aged man.

Lianne: [00:04:49] Um, I

Hannah: [00:04:50] spent time in South Africa on a game reserve and I met someone who had done a working holiday visa in

Lianne: [00:04:55] Canada as a ski season.

Hannah: [00:04:57] And I was literally like, that sounds like fun. I want to travel. I can go and do a species then. And I figured out where Wister was and.

Corey: [00:05:05] This is an interesting thing to me is that the whole, like you guys have been from the islands and the Northern part of the EU have this fascinated like Canada. Ooh. And I’m like Canada

Lianne: [00:05:20] How can you look at like best, for example, this summer, I still are bear on the side of the pavement. AK side sidewalk. Um, and then I was just like, wow, that’s like seen an elephant or a giraffe or like a whale, but you’re like

Corey: [00:05:38] Northern Wisconsin. They were in my backyard.

Lianne: [00:05:39] Yeah. We didn’t have exotic animals where we’re from.

We’re very, we’re very vanilla,

Corey: [00:05:45] but I’m in Scotland has the mountain. So you can see the mountains. Yeah, don’t get mountains and

Lianne: [00:05:52] then not rugged either like the road nature from these kinds of mountains and it is, and that’s another thing.

Hannah: [00:06:00] Is rainy,

Lianne: [00:06:01] cold and miserable

Hannah: [00:06:02] for like nine months out of the year,

Lianne: [00:06:04] but really beautiful.

Yeah. You can

Hannah: [00:06:08] tell while we why we are abroad.

Lianne: [00:06:11] Yeah. But for me, I’d never heard about an Australian work visa before actually. So this is back in 2014 and I just had in my head. After uni, Oh my God. I want to travel because my parents both traveled and I knew that there was a big wild world out there and I hated the English weather.

And, um, my granddad had relatives, his nephew and his wife. They actually moved to Australia in world war two. And I knew that I had relatives over there and I was really close with my granddad before he died. And he said, Oh, I really would love for you to go and visit Jim and Jenea and Australia and go meet your family.

So when I finished uni and I said, I want to go traveling. And my mum suggested Australia and I did some research and I got in contact with them and, and yeah, it looked okay and beautiful crystal blue waters of Western Australia. And I thought, you know what, fuck it. I’m

Corey: [00:07:04] going to go. Yeah.

Hannah: [00:07:05] And that’s, I find that really interesting because the same reason that I chose Whistler to go to in Canada was because my.

Grandmother’s brother moved out there years ago. And I had family in Vancouver, which was two hours away and like completely adopted me while I was

Lianne: [00:07:19] there. And they really

Hannah: [00:07:21] looked after me. And it was so much easier. You pointed out a couple of years ago. And I don’t know if you remember that this is, you said that when you traveled there’s different

Lianne: [00:07:34] grades.

Oh yeah.

Hannah: [00:07:36] Canada and Australia like

Lianne: [00:07:38] grade one, easy, easy PCs, English translate, video game, highly educated.

Hannah: [00:07:46] Like you can get a,

Lianne: [00:07:46] get a

Hannah: [00:07:47] job really easily.

Lianne: [00:07:48] Same culture,

Hannah: [00:07:49] same culture, same

Corey: [00:07:52] circumstances. The thing is like, when I think about these work visas, because of where you’re going with them, I don’t think of that as.

What we’re doing right now.

Lianne: [00:08:02] So we’re going to go and spend the summer in Europe. Do you consider that as traveling?

Corey: [00:08:09] Not in the same, what my, what I’m most curious about though, is that I have no idea about this process. So like, if, when you. Say I want to go work in Australia for a year or two years, whatever it is, where do you start?

You just go. Is there like an Australian work visa website?

Hannah: [00:08:24] Yeah. So you go on to Australian workings, that website,

Lianne: [00:08:32] the government website. If you just put into, that’s like the, the last bit to look at, and that’s where you can officially apply through the government. For as minimum charges as possible, but then you have to deal 95

Hannah: [00:08:47] Australian dollars.

Lianne: [00:08:48] That’s the government. Yeah.

Hannah: [00:08:51] But you can do it through outside agencies,

Corey: [00:08:55] get a visa. You might not spend that money.

Lianne: [00:08:58] No, it’s PR honestly, Australia is pretty much guaranteed. It depends where you’re from. Of course, we’re speaking from our experience from Europe, it’s pretty much guaranteed that you’re going to get your visa.

I’m not sure. How would that is for an American audience, but if you go through the Australian government website, it just means that you have to do your tax file number, et cetera, et cetera by yourself, which is separate. So when I went

Hannah: [00:09:22] in, arrived to Australia, so I did it through the Australian government

Lianne: [00:09:26] website.

He did it that way in

Hannah: [00:09:28] August. I got my acceptance

Lianne: [00:09:33] letter, I guess.

Hannah: [00:09:34] Yeah. And then they asked me to go for a medical. So I have to then pay another $250 on top of the 495 to

Lianne: [00:09:44] get

Hannah: [00:09:44] a tuberculosis

Lianne: [00:09:46] test. Um,

Hannah: [00:09:48] a couple of, yeah, a couple of Australian dollars, a couple of other tests for them to allow me into the country.

Did those tests within 12 hours of doing the tests in a government approved?

Lianne: [00:10:01] Office. And then

Hannah: [00:10:02] my visa was approved. That’s efficient. It was really fun.

Lianne: [00:10:05] I couldn’t figure out how to do tests. So I applied back in 2014. So this information is kind of irrelevant, but yeah, exactly.

Hannah: [00:10:12] Everyone that I’ve spoken to recently

Lianne: [00:10:14] has asked to do the medical side.

So that’s how that happens in Canada now as well. My brother

Hannah: [00:10:18] disappeared now for Canada. If you’re looking to do something different, you have to do fingerprints. You have to go to a government like a government officer. Embassy and get your biometrics done, which also costs money. And

Lianne: [00:10:30] you have to possibly be in your home country to do it, but you do, I think, um, but also going back to the, going through the government website.

So you have to do your, um, send number like a national insurance number, whatever you had to do that when you arrived in

Hannah: [00:10:46] Australia. So instead of like, if you were to go through the working holiday club or something like that, Not sponsored. You have to get your sin number or your TFN, which is your tax file number.

When you arrived to Australia, you have to get your own phone number. You have to get Medicare. If you’re eligible for it, you have to apply for all of these things and go through the government to get them. So. I got here and I was expecting the option to work right away with my having my tax file number, but it takes up to 28 days to

Lianne: [00:11:22] receive that, okay.

Hannah: [00:11:24] I expected it to take the full 28

Lianne: [00:11:26] days. And luckily I had enough

Hannah: [00:11:27] savings to get me through that, but it only took 10 days to get, which was great because I could work after

Lianne: [00:11:34] 10 days for people to know, the 28 days

Hannah: [00:11:37] might take 28 days once you got here. But if you go through a working holiday club or. A company that does it for you.

You might, you will get your visa, you’ll get your tax file number. You might have a phone number

Lianne: [00:11:50] on that arrival. This is what I different things to do. I wouldn’t say in 2014, and I got my. My, my visa, I got my tax file number. I didn’t get a phone number, but I was eligible to start work straight away when I arrived in Australia.

So I paid, so I was very green to the travel situation. I didn’t even realize you could go through a government. Website, my travel agents never told me about the Medicare situation. So I bought full travel insurance with them for like 500 pounds, which I did not need

Corey: [00:12:21] any other requirements that people should know about.

I mean, I think that having some savings going into it is a good idea, but I, you don’t

Lianne: [00:12:27] need a lot. So a couple of thousand dollars Australian is more than enough.

Corey: [00:12:32] I’m learning, talking to you guys, is that. You can really like there’s tons of work.

Hannah: [00:12:38] There’s tons of work. If you’re not picky about where you’re going to work.

Lianne: [00:12:41] And if you don’t speak very good English also. Okay. You go and work on the farms, which is what I did for a really long time. Um, I was checking this English is suffering. My English is awful. I know, but it could have also been the bottle of wine have drank, but, um, I was traveling with someone who didn’t speak a lick of English and he never struggled to find work.

Um, you can find it anywhere as long as you’re not picking,

Hannah: [00:13:06] I can attest to that. I’m currently working in a bar having never attended before that’s McLaughlin Hill bar to

Lianne: [00:13:14] everyone else.

Hannah: [00:13:15] They’re French people that I live with at the backpacker is who arrived in Australia two months ago, not having a word of English.

Who’ve gotten jobs in the kitchen, learning English and really trying their best.

Lianne: [00:13:30] To learn English.

Hannah: [00:13:33] They’re developing from that. And it’s amazing to see them grow

Corey: [00:13:38] when you, it seems like because of this aspect of being able to like, just kind of freely bounce around when you get the job, are there, is there something that’s like holding you to that?

Are they like, we need this minimum commitment

Lianne: [00:13:52] employee is a very open when they see that you’re on a working holiday visa. If that bothered, if they know that you’re going to bounce about, or if they have a problem with the bouncing about, they usually say, I need a minimum of two months requirement that very rarely happens.

Corey: [00:14:08] So like two weeks notice for quitting. Isn’t a thing

Lianne: [00:14:11] you can look and leave. That’s that was back in my day.

Hannah: [00:14:14] I started this job six weeks ago. I told them I might be planning a trip to Vietnam. In March and a week ago, I told them that I was booking the flight and going, and they said, no problem. You’re a casual we’ll have worked for you on your back.

Lianne: [00:14:29] That’s something to my amends, able

Hannah: [00:14:30] to take three weeks off with

Lianne: [00:14:32] a week’s notice. It’s something to remember. Everyone’s hired as a casual, as a backpacker. You’ll usually hide it unless you get a job in like a mine site or, you know, something a bit more. Like, I, I don’t want to say mock, but something that the most serious

Hannah: [00:14:46] gumption

Lianne: [00:14:46] to get the job you usually work with with locals, as opposed to working with backpackers, but hustlers

Corey: [00:14:52] dive into the Australian work ethic.

Lianne: [00:15:00] that may or may not be listening to them. No, you know what? I’m an honest person. I’ll throw it out there. My experience, which I have. I’ve worked in a lot of different areas in Australia. They work in hospital, worked on farms. I worked on the docks. I worked on the mines, the work ethic varied, but all of that, compared to other areas of the world, I’m going to say, it’s not as hard working, but you know what?

I’m not saying that they’re wrong because they’re getting paid more and doing less. And this is the thing it’s

Corey: [00:15:33] an American, this kid. This is amazing to me is that your blue collar worker

Lianne: [00:15:38] is

Corey: [00:15:38] paid so healthy and it’s just really amazing.

Hannah: [00:15:43] Workers are essential to society.

Lianne: [00:15:45] That’s just exactly how it should be

Corey: [00:15:47] exactly how it should be.

And I think that it’s absolutely should be. And I think it’s amazing. But give us, give me an example of this. Like somebody who’s out there, a farm worker you’re going out and you’re just like

Lianne: [00:15:57] picking potatoes. That’s not the best example, a farm worker, because they’re usually on the low ended pay of the scale, unless you can drive a tractor lift.

Okay. So minimum wage in South Australia to work on a farm legally bearing in mind, there’s a lot of. Illegal workers. There is $17 an hour. This was back in 2015.

Hannah: [00:16:19] The minimum wage in Australia is $19.

Lianne: [00:16:22] Okay. So that’s going up to $2 and two years,

Corey: [00:16:24] right? 14, 15 bucks American, which is where a lot of people are trying to get it to in the

Lianne: [00:16:28] States.

You do have to remember that costs in Australia. I will throw it out that are a lot more and taxes are higher. Um,

Hannah: [00:16:36] your toxic go towards.

Lianne: [00:16:39] Healthcare too was it’s a very good system. And as a packet, you don’t actually pay tax that you got a larger tax.

Hannah: [00:16:48] You pay your employer, pays what? 10%

Lianne: [00:16:51] on the say, guys, if you’re thinking you get soup anyway, which is like a retirement fund that you were in play and play pays on top.

On top of your wages, your employer pays, uh, what they call a superannuation fund. Because usually for an Australian resident, they can not claim that until they’ve retired, but for someone who’s only on a temporary visa, once you leave the country, you get to claim that superannuation. So for example, after two years, when I left, I got 3000 Australian dollars just thrown into my bank account.

That was on top of my wages on top of any of my savings. And that was just my retirement fund that I was never getting. Cause that wasn’t the Shalan

Hannah: [00:17:32] flights.

Corey: [00:17:34] You want to really say what you bought with it?

Lianne: [00:17:39] Probably a lot of cocktails in the Philippines. And

that’s what you did before you came to Canada. I was living it up in the Philippines for like six weeks. I did not give a food

we need

Corey: [00:17:57] to make is that we’ve got, we’ve got. Different types of work, but you have work requirements as well. So dive into this a little bit, you have all of that. There’s so many different jobs that you guys have talked

Lianne: [00:18:08] to me about the

Corey: [00:18:10] farm work requirements. So explain that to me a little bit.

Hannah: [00:18:14] Requirements for farm work. If you want to do your second year on your four one seven four,

Lianne: [00:18:20] this is, I will note for what honor is saying, what Han or is talking about is for the European people or for the people that subclass in that visa for one seven. Okay. So I’m going to talk about the other people.

But that’s America. None. None Americans.

Hannah: [00:18:39] Yeah. So for the four, one seven visa, which is the Irish visa, the UK visa, mostly the European visa. You get your first year automatically when you apply and get grounded, but

Lianne: [00:18:52] visa.

Hannah: [00:18:53] And then once you’re there, you can decide if you want to stay another year. If you want to stay another year, you have to do 88 days of farm work in a rural area that is counted by the government.

In a job that the government approves. So

Lianne: [00:19:09] Sydney, no, Melvin, no pets. No.

Corey: [00:19:12] You got to get out. At least got to get out.

Hannah: [00:19:14] So at least in the burbs, um, there’s a list of postcodes that are. Aloud on the government websites,

Corey: [00:19:23] easy to access the shit that Leanne got into

on a farm.

Hannah: [00:19:30] I’m going to do nannying on a farm.

Lianne: [00:19:32] She’s taking the easy way

Hannah: [00:19:33] is going to pay me. Through their payroll on the front.

Lianne: [00:19:37] So basically this is exactly you can work with Gardner. And what you have to do is you have to do this

Corey: [00:19:45] minimum to get your second year.

Hannah: [00:19:48] My

Lianne: [00:19:48] second son signed off by the farmer.

He get a foam with special ABN numbers or the business numbers on the farm, his signature

Hannah: [00:19:56] Australian business number. He

Lianne: [00:19:58] has this. Fill, and you have this foam and you have to apply when you’re applying for a second year work visa. You have to keep all of this information that you’re given at the end of your phone

Hannah: [00:20:08] because the government can investigate.

And they

Lianne: [00:20:11] do. Do you investigate

Hannah: [00:20:12] something like one in seven applications,

Corey: [00:20:16] which is fascinating because I have heard of people that are just going to the farmer and being like, I’ll give you a grand just saying, yeah,

Lianne: [00:20:22] that happens. That

Hannah: [00:20:24] happens in an awful lot. Could name, but I won’t name a few people who I know have had at work.

Lianne: [00:20:48] you have that the ATA days of farm work there’s Oh, counted all over Australia for the full one seven visas. That is a full six, two visa for people who are from the Americas. And I think from Spain as well. Um, so you are the lucky bastards that don’t actually, you have to work in rural areas in lucky masters.

The only rule that you guys have is you have to do 88 days of paid employment above the Tropic of Capricorn. So the Tropic of Capricorn, I believe was nit Agnes waters. Which is in Queensland. So you can go to Northern Queensland. So Ken’s, you can go to Darwin, you can go to broom, any of that Northern area of Australia that is considered a rural for the Americas.

So you guys can work in hospitality, you can do whatever the fuck you want, and you can still get those 88 days there.

Corey: [00:21:44] And that’s fantastic. And you know what the fact of the matter is that after the last one, six months, that Australia just had. They could use probably some extra hands

Lianne: [00:21:53] actually

Hannah: [00:21:53] hopping up happening at the moment is that if you are a backpacker working.

In towns that have been affected by the Bush fires,

Lianne: [00:22:05] you can count

Hannah: [00:22:05] those days towards your second year on your ADA

Lianne: [00:22:09] is so much better than going on more. You want to give us a little bit of that

Hannah: [00:22:13] experience again, back

Corey: [00:22:14] to me a little day in day out of some of this farm work, because

Lianne: [00:22:19] Matt was here right now.

Corey: [00:22:21] You’re about this shine, a positive light on it.

Lianne: [00:22:26] A positive, tell you what, you know what? I attest that, that farm work made me a better person because I can appreciate a good 10 or 12 hour day of work on my feet. And I can say, Hey, that wasn’t so bad. So far on what really made me appreciate where I come from and how fortunate I am and the opportunities that I have.

Corey: [00:22:49] Let’s just list some of the fruits and vegetables that you’ve picked,

Lianne: [00:22:53] picked up packed. What about me? A D L of fish. Okay. So we started off in 2008, the 2015.

bronze on the brains. It just brings, but I’ve got both. Okay. So I do yoga once every two weeks I got this. Okay. So I started with grapes. Then I moved on to potential banana picking, but then there was a cycling. Then I went to orange, picking line picking, then mushroom packing, worst experience of all. And then I went up, did some wait to sing and some bartending for a little bit.

And then I came down to work on a potato and an onion farm, but it just so happened to be the main provider of potatoes and onions to the whole of Australia. I’m talking Kohl’s Woolworth lays, AKA walkers, potato chips, AKA crisps, I, everything that had a potato in it in Australia. I examined that potato before it went out.

Between the months of September and November of 2015.

Corey: [00:24:18] That’s just a lovely, lovely story. I got one question I might, that could probably take us out of this. Is that, um, knowing that within Australia, prostitution is legal. I never did it. Is prostitution part of the working visa holiday program?

Lianne: [00:24:34] Uh, no, but let me just, let me just comment on that in my hostel and dough.

And there was a girl who’s going to name remain unnamed. She actually, because I was working on the fishing ducks and dome and at this point, so we used to get boxes of prawns and fish thrown at me. And I was the only woman on the ducks. And there’s a nanny by day, Hannah. Oh, yeah. I used to nanny as well as work on the dots and as another the story.

Um, but this girl, she was actually also a prostitute. Are you sure you weren’t. She was a paid sex. Are there trust me? I would not have been working on a fish. Doug getting real fish thrown at me. If I was getting paid for my Poona

he got paid, but not as handsomely as I thought she would be paid for prostitution and sex work, but she really enjoyed the job and she was happy. It was legal. It was safe. So perhaps to her, it was awesome.

Corey: [00:25:50] Anything anybody should know besides just like go and do it because look at this way. You graduate from the United States.

Great university. Maybe you’ve got some good job prospects, but maybe you haven’t been anywhere and seen anything. So go try and do something like this because it’s going to take you to the opposite side of the globe. And then you can maybe like venture up into the Asian countries for a little bit or something like that.

Hannah: [00:26:15] Yeah. Herself out there. So. I’ve been in Australia for three months. I spent a month in Indonesia on a month now in Vietnam. And that’s been super easy because it’s really accessible

Lianne: [00:26:29] from

Hannah: [00:26:30] Australia on the flights.

Corey: [00:26:31] I think you just said $90 to fly

Lianne: [00:26:34] from home.

Hannah: [00:26:35] Yeah. From ho Chi Minh to Perth. That’s $90. One way.

That’s ridiculous. Like crazy

Lianne: [00:26:41] Australian

Hannah: [00:26:42] dollar Australian dollar is very cheap, but. Just go do it.

Corey: [00:26:49] Yeah.

Lianne: [00:26:49] Like if you have to,  a little bit of money to

Hannah: [00:26:54] travel.

Lianne: [00:26:57] My advice, I always say to people who I meet now on my travels and they say, I’m thinking of going into Australia. And I said, honestly, the amount of money I made in six months on the mines.

Just working as a cleaner. It was pretty easy to be honest with you everyone. Two weeks on one week off. And I met amazing people. And I made a salary job in six months as a backpack and not paying rent, not paying any kind of bills I would, if I could do it all over again, I would work like that for two years and then go travel for a year to completely free.

Not have to work. I love it. That would be my, my advice to anyone right now,

Hannah: [00:27:35] saving money, like, or like being tight with your money while your child

Lianne: [00:27:40] is being very generous,

Hannah: [00:27:41] say 50, 60 grand in a year. Working in the mines in

Lianne: [00:27:45] Australia, drinking espresso martinis every weekend.

Hannah: [00:27:48] Even for example, I’ve worked for six weeks in Australia.

Part-time and I’ve saved money for three weeks ship

Corey: [00:27:54] trip. We should add that. One thing that we didn’t talk about that I did have a question about is, um, accommodations where you’re going to live. A lot of times people are just living in dorms while they’re doing it, which

Lianne: [00:28:05] is what I did

Hannah: [00:28:05] to work or to live in backpackers.

But you can also be prepared to not to there’s oceans. I’m Irish. Very rare that an Irish person goes to Australia and doesn’t work with Irish. Live with Irish. Yeah, socialize with Irish. I unfortunately an unpopular really seek out hostels that are not,

Lianne: [00:28:32] but what’s the point of traveling to the other side of the world to meet the same people that you’ll meet. Obviously, I love us. We’re better. And every day

you see the wall, man,

Hannah: [00:28:50] your first time traveling and it’s not. Your choice to be alone or to just go out and meet people that you don’t know. And you’ve never known and live in a place where you live with six people or eight people that you’ve never met

Lianne: [00:29:05] before and make friends

Hannah: [00:29:06] really hard, but it’s the best way to make friends.

If you don’t want to do that, that’s okay too, because you can arrive and move into a share house and get a good job and find a life for yourself and set up a community. And that’s easy to do too. I use Facebook groups and

Lianne: [00:29:25] loads. Literally, you’re always easy. And then another thing I will give as a big recommendation, um, West coast is the most unvisited part of Australia.

Perth is the most isolated city in the world because it’s technically so far away from everything. But the West coast is absolutely stunning. I’ve never been anywhere in a, um, in a progressive country, like a Western country where there’s been so little around, there’s been so much nature. But no high rises and certain spots.

I, I saw a giant manta rays for free in the ocean. And so dolphins for free and the ocean sharks

Hannah: [00:30:11] and every day,

Lianne: [00:30:12] every day, seeds,

Hannah: [00:30:14] dolphins every day in the ocean. And I live in a backpackers

Lianne: [00:30:17] pay for anything. You didn’t have to pay for it. So I can not stress enough fees to go and take your tourism to the West coast.

Um, even though this might destroy it, recommending that, but right now it’s just, it’s just beautiful and it’s very untouched on. It’s very amazing and just be very cautious of the environment when you have that, because it’s very, .

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