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Oh how the tables have turned with The World Wanderers Transcription

Corey: [00:00:00] Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to small world punk cast. I’m Corey O’Flanagan.

Lianne: [00:00:12] I am Lianne Davidson.

Corey: [00:00:14] We’re back finally, better than ever.

Lianne: [00:00:16] We took a bit of a break,

but you

know, I’m sure you all needed the break from us as well,

Corey: [00:00:21] so exclude deserved, but I don’t want to lie. we are really excited to be back.

We’re going to be back doing this every couple of weeks with you guys. And to start off with, we are going to, just put out a little episode that is the tables have been turned.

Lianne: [00:00:37] They have indeed. So for you avid fans and listeners out there, you may remember back when we were first beginning,

Amanda: [00:00:45] we interviewed the world

Lianne: [00:00:47] wonders.

Unlike Corey set the tables of 10.

Amanda: [00:00:50] we became the

Lianne: [00:00:51] interview ease for that part.

Corey: [00:00:53] So it could be a little bit fun to have us on the other side for you all have a listen, we go over quite a bit of stuff. what we’ve been up to, how quarantine has been for everybody. And then we get into some of the stuff that we did with forever break, which if you haven’t listened to check it out, it’s all about,

Lianne: [00:01:10] which has been proven to become very handy current given the current global situation.

Corey: [00:01:16] Yeah. So we are up in Inverness, Scotland right now, spending some time with Leanne’s mom. It’s good for her to see her family. last time that we kind of did the corn team update, we were unsure of what was going on. But yeah, we got over to the UK. We got the lovely Charlotte back to her home,

Lianne: [00:01:34] Charlie and Korea now official refugees in my Homeland.

Corey: [00:01:38] Flame fleeing the infested country of the United States, if you will. But, no things are going well. We are excited and surprise, surprise. We just bought a van.

Lianne: [00:01:49] Yes. So that’s going to be some of our new episodes. We plan to do a huge road trip around Scotland, England, Ireland, and Wales. With a van, which we kept the name Denzel for the former owner,

Corey: [00:02:03] Denzel, if you’re local,

Lianne: [00:02:04] Denzel, if you’re a local Scottish person, but Denzel for everyone else.

And Denzel is pretty sly, he looked

Amanda: [00:02:10] a bit rough to begin with very Austin perish

Corey: [00:02:13] in the works guys in the work. So stick with us, it’s going to be a ton of fun, and we are really looking forward to starting this up again. So, enjoy this interview and we will talk to you again in a couple of weeks.

Ryan: [00:02:26] Hello, and welcome to the world. Wanders podcast, your source for travel stories, travel destinations, and travel philosophy.

Amanda: [00:02:34] I’m Amanda, I’m Ryan. And where your house.

Ryan: [00:02:41] Welcome back to the podcast. This week, we are excited to be chatting with Leanne and Corey from

Corey: [00:02:46] the small worlds podcast

Ryan: [00:02:47] and from forever break though. New show as

Amanda: [00:02:49] well. Yeah. And if these names sound familiar, it’s probably because we were actually guests on the small worlds podcast back in the fall of 2019, we talked to Corey and Leanne for their show while we were actually in Guadalajara, Mexico.

And then we actually put the audio out on our feed. So. It was really fun to flip the script here, interview Corey and Leanne. And on this episode, we really dove into their travel story, traveling together, how they met, what they’ve been up to over the last couple of months, where they were, when the pandemic hit, what it was like going home, what it’s, what it’s been like since they’ve been home, what’s next for them and so much more.

So this is a really, really fun conversation. But before we get into that, we just wanted to talk a little bit about the world wanders, insider.

Ryan: [00:03:36] Yeah, the world wanders insider is a show where we are diving to the nitty gritty of creating your career online. So being nomads, we meet so many great people who are working and traveling, and they may not be traveling at the current moment, but it found so many different, interesting ways to create a career that allows them to have location flexibility.

And you wanted to dive in and talk to them and share those episodes.

Amanda: [00:04:00] Yeah, absolutely. And what we really want to do with this podcast series is teach you the different ways that you can work online, essentially. So even though right now, we can’t really travel. There’s lots of opportunities to be working online.

So we talk to people who are doing things like YouTube, travel, blogging, you know, various freelancing opportunities. Freelance writing, teaching English as well as we share a lot about what we have done to make money over the last couple of years. So when you think digital nomad, you might think a certain type of role or responsibility or way that you make money, but there’s actually tons of different ways to do that.

And that’s what we’re teaching you through the show. So if you are interested in making your money online, being able to work from anywhere in the world, head on over to forward slash the world wanders and join us there. All

Ryan: [00:04:49] right now onto the interview with Corian, Leanne.

Amanda: [00:04:54] Corey Leanne, welcome to the podcast today.

We’re super excited to have you here with us.

Lianne: [00:04:59] Thank you for having us.

Corey: [00:05:00] Yeah. Thank you for having us. Good to be back with you guys.

Amanda: [00:05:03] Yeah, absolutely. And the last time we chatted was on, you had us on your show, the small worlds podcast. And we talked back in September of 2019, and I definitely want to hear everything that’s happened in your world from September through till now, but maybe let’s save that for a little bit.

Let’s let’s back up a little bit so that people can get to know you guys a bit. Can you tell us your travel story and what first inspired you guys to travel?

Corey: [00:05:29] mine dates back a ways to 2002. I’ve done a little bit of traveling, but just typical little spring break in Mexico and stuff like that, nothing big.

But then I, tried college. Wasn’t ready for college. Caught wind of a guy that was older than me in high school, who had said gone over to Thailand for a month or so, and had just an amazing time and met up with him at, just some random gathering in my old hometown and heard his stories. So a friend of mine looked at each other and we just said, let’s book tickets.

So we did that and I saved up for that summer. And then. went over and did Southeast Asia for about three and a half months. Then as you guys can imagine, I was just absolutely hooked. I, all I could think about was how am I going to travel again?

Lianne: [00:06:14] Yes. And you did my mind’s a little bit more recent. I finished college in 2014 and Peter pan style decided I wasn’t ready to grow up and fast forward, six years later here, we are still not ready to grow up.

So there we go.

Corey: [00:06:31] Leanne’s been a big proponent of the working holiday. Oh,

Amanda: [00:06:35] nice. I feel like it’s like, you got to take advantage of that when you can, because I think at what is it? 31 or 33. You can’t get them anymore.

Lianne: [00:06:43] Yeah, which I think is a bit, a bit cruel, really. I mean, some people like encourage case he traveled then grew up for a little while and then was like, okay, well, I, I don’t want to do this.

And then now, when, when I guess it was, I’d say six, when he discovered that he on these working holiday visas and it was too late. So, but yeah, it’s the Iwan and 35 in some countries as well.

Corey: [00:07:03] Yeah, what a cool way to be able to go experience these places. And like, for her, it’s just been like full integration into Australia and then Canadian the economy, the society, just everything.

I think that’s a really cool way to do it.

Amanda: [00:07:15] Yeah, for sure. It’s definitely like a way to get to know a country that’s very different from backpacking and just being there for a couple of days. And we actually, haven’t done a working holiday visa either. And as Canadians, we have lots of opportunities for that.

And there’s still a couple of countries that I think we could probably do it in. We, are just in our early thirties. So we, maybe we should take advantage of that. But

Lianne: [00:07:36] yeah, Australia.

Amanda: [00:07:38] Yeah. Yeah. We found, like living in countries kind of gives us the same thing since we work online. But yeah. One of the things I’m curious about is where your travel journeys meet.

Like where did you guys meet and where have you guys been traveling together over the last couple of years? Well,

Lianne: [00:07:54] we actually met in your home country of Canada. Beautiful, beautiful British Columbia. I was in the middle of doing my Canadian visa or towards the end of that actually in Whistler and, Cory just strolled in and he was on holiday or vacation at the time and he just came into my bar and.

Yeah, I’ve been working 18 days straight and none of my friends have the day off. And so him and his friends are like, come get drunk with us. So

Corey: [00:08:19] we did, I had an amazing morning of riding powder at Whistler and we’re really vibing and feeling good. So I think that, the energy surrounding the group of guys that I was with was fun and Leanne didn’t have any other tables.

So she just. Sat there and chatted with us and we just kind of kept in touch and over the next few months just didn’t really put any expectations on it. I don’t think. And then, I was kind of looking for an escape that travel bug that I think we all have was just kind of getting louder and louder in my ear.

And I finally just said, what do you think about maybe trying to save some money and going to India? In like a few months. And, she said, I was thinking of going down to central or South America, but India is on my list too, so let’s do it. So we took the risk and it’s been pretty awesome ever since.


Ryan: [00:09:07] So you guys went to India without, like, you obviously knew each other, but you hadn’t like spent a lot of time together before.

Lianne: [00:09:15] So we did like the first we met in the January and we did about. Four months of long distance and you know, it just like keeping in contact. And then, Corey was just like, okay, well, I can move up to Canada for a bit, not just on a tourist visa and like just hang out for a few months until my visa was finished.

so we just did that. We kind of jumped the gun and just went straight from one end of the school. That jumped to the other, like have not seen each other, a barely knowing each other to move in with each other.

Corey: [00:09:43] The long distance thing went, definitely played into that because it was really smooth. And we both just realized that we communicated really well.

And didn’t like, It wasn’t like, you’re, I think I’ve done long distance before, and it seems to like, get into, and I’m guilty of it too. Like just kind of nagging stuff. I’m just like, when I texted you, why did you take an hour to answer? And just kind of just a little BS, stuff like that, that doesn’t really matter in the long run, but we didn’t have any of that.

So I, I think we both saw that and said, okay, like, let’s just, this seems like it might have a shot to, it’s a big risk. I think most of my friends were like, what the hell are you doing?

Lianne: [00:10:15] I mean, most of my friends are still like, well, are you still with an American guy? But I just like to give people shit from America

Corey: [00:10:24] and a couple of months up there, and then we set out on our trip and, and just kind of it, you know, it’s.

It’s been unique to spend this much time with somebody day in and day out. And, that’s kind of, one of the things with traveling is, I think, I don’t know if there’s anybody else that I know that I would have been able to pull it off with and that’s people that I’ve known for years and years because, I don’t know.

It just kind of happens like that. So I, yeah, it’s been a great seven months and we’re when, when we had to cut our trip short, we came back and had been spending the time with my family, which has been really nice to help them through this whole pandemic.

Ryan: [00:10:56] Yeah. We always talked about how for us, I feel like traveling is something that really brought us together because you go

Corey: [00:11:02] like, just so

Ryan: [00:11:03] far into the deep end, like it’s so easy.

I’m not easy of course, but like when you’re living your lives at home in kind of parallel your lives, actually don’t merge together too much. Like you share the same space maybe. but you go to work, work with different people. Maybe you spend a bit of time together in the evening. and then some more time together on the weekends, but like how much time are you really spending together versus like you jumped into this travel experience where you’re 24 seven together, you have to learn how to.

You know, meet your own needs for independence within that context. And then you’re also thrown into all these crazy situations, which I imagine being in India would be like the peak of that in terms of like, you’re going to find things that are going to stress you out, and then you’re going to have to deal with that in combination with a different

Lianne: [00:11:46] person.

It’s very true. I mean, in any relationship I’ve been beforehand, how many times, a few months into a relationship have you had to discuss you’re puking from both ends on a moving train in the middle of the night. So it definitely brings you together a different way than you just have to kind of like, just laugh about it.

You know, I’m

Corey: [00:12:10] curious too, like with you guys and doing it as much as you have. One of the things that we discovered was that obviously you need, we need our alone time. We’re both pretty extroverted overall, but we do have our introverted side. So if one of us just like woke up and were like, I don’t want to go sight.

See, and I don’t want to, like, you know, months on end of travel, life gets a little bit normal and, you’ve got to try and do that. So I’m curious if you guys have. Yeah, I imagine that you don’t beat each other up about that. Like, Hey, I’m just going to like have a day where I’m just going to like binge on Netflix and if you want to go walk around, that’s fine.

But I just kind of need my alone time. Have you guys had that at all?

Amanda: [00:12:46] Yeah, for sure. And I think that, you know, for us, we started traveling together when we were quite a bit younger. I mean, we were 22 and 21 on our first trip. And so that was something Ryan’s a natural introvert and I’m a natural extrovert.

So that was something that was, I guess, kind of like hard for me when we, when we first traveled together and. At that point, you know, we had been dating for a little while at that point, but we had been like living in houses with roommates and we’d never spent that much time together in that type of context.

And we’d also never traveled that long before. So yeah, we definitely went through that learning and I feel like now it’s very like smooth. Like we, we just know each other so well. And I think both of us are pretty good at being like, I need you to not talk right now or go in this space and I just need like, Time by myself.

And it’s like, yeah, cool. It’s not about the other person. It’s just, you know what we need in that moment. And I think that stuff is so important. I mean, regardless if you’re traveling with your family or a friend or a romantic partner, I feel like you have to be able to have those types of conversations because otherwise you’ll just go crazy.

Lianne: [00:13:52] Well, that’s it right? Even in like everyday life, I find that those kinds of skills, or should I say de sensitivity that is really helping the traveler respect. I think that helps so much in every day as well. Like even in work and stuff, if he just saying, Hey, you know, just explain how you’re feeling. And it’s very impersonal.

I think it just makes the world such a better place.

Corey: [00:14:13] Maybe this quarantine life for the last couple of months have given people a taste of it too, that they. We might not have if they’ve never gone and done a long trip with their partner or something like that.

Ryan: [00:14:21] Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine people, I feel like you go through phases, right?

If like spending so much time together where you’re like, let’s like, let’s get a cat, let’s have a baby.

Amanda: [00:14:29] Like let’s never talk to

Ryan: [00:14:31] each other again.

Corey: [00:14:34] And that’s like, For lunch.

Ryan: [00:14:37] Yeah. It’s the first day one,

Amanda: [00:14:41] something that I’ve found and that I guess made me feel like a bit uncomfortable, kind of early on as we were doing, this was like, sometimes we would just sit down for dinner and we’d have like virtually nothing to say, or we’d go for a walk and it just be totally silent.

And I was like, Oh, it’s like so weird that we’ve like run into things to talk about. Like, maybe that’s a sign that this like, Isn’t going to work out well. And now I really look at that as like, how amazing is it that we can just like go for a walk and not talk to each other,

Lianne: [00:15:08] just enjoy. So this company without

Corey: [00:15:10] I think that that is absolutely perfect way to describe it because so many times at dinner we’d just be staring across the table.

And it was like, we just spent the entire day together, like on a motorbike going and seeing things. What else could we. Really talk about and not like not beating yourself up about that. I think you can get really overly sensitive. So I think that that’s a really good way to look at it. Yeah, for

Amanda: [00:15:32] sure. And so when did you guys head over to India?

Lianne: [00:15:36] So, when we left Canada in the August and then we hooked up to Alaska and then September, we went to Indonesia and then we did a month in Indonesia and then a month in Nepal. And then we did a month in India. So it was a November. November or December

Corey: [00:15:53] 1st part of November. And then we left, India for, after about six weeks.

And then we went to Sri Lanka for a month and then came back up and met another friend of ours. the same guy that we were in Alaska with came us in India. And we did the Northern part of India. When we first got there, we got to Delhi and the pollution level was so high that anybody who had the means was leaving the city.

so we spent one night and then got on the next train down to Mumbai.

Amanda: [00:16:18] Okay. Gotcha. And so where, I guess, when did you guys first hear about coronavirus? Cause I I’m wondering if you would have heard about it more in like early 20, 20 being that you guys were in, like sort of central Asia.

Corey: [00:16:32] Yep. So I’m someone who’s generally my, the whole adult life had their pulse on the news, probably to a fault of doing a little bit too much.

Lianne: [00:16:39] She’s a grownup

Corey: [00:16:42] I adult pretty well, but almost to a negative, but I, so I, I had this probably on my radar, mid January, when we were going back from Sri Lanka into Delhi, just kind of. Not really taking any precautions, but I had heard of it. I knew that it was around and, was just getting more and more aware.

And then obviously those last two weeks of January, especially in Asia were pretty, pretty chaotic. You

Lianne: [00:17:09] know, honestly, so we were, in Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam through from the beginning of February, or end of January to the middle of beginning of March. So to the 9th of March, And, honestly it was, everyone was wearing masks.

When we were in Thailand, we got our temperatures taken when we were going on the islands

Corey: [00:17:31] February, we’re going from  to Kolata on a ferry. And we stopped for like an hour or two at the PPI islands and everyone getting off the fairway got a forehead temperature check. So we were. That probably put an alarm in a much like a month or maybe even six weeks before I think most people in Western countries.

Lianne: [00:17:51] Yeah. Because America, we know that how strict the bird is, coming in anyway. So, I was like on an Ester visa, come in here for some weddings. And, we were just like, okay, well, this is a lot more serious than people are thinking, but we have to say that we’re so impressed with how Asia handled it. in particularly like Vietnam, everyone had hand sanitizer, you know, people, whatever shop we were going and people were like, Oh, make sure your hand sanitize be safe, wear a mask.

And it didn’t impact our experience that she probably made our experience a little bit. That’s it? Actually, unfortunately I don’t want to say that, but all of the tourist sites were so quiet and, you know, cause all of the Chinese tourists weren’t allowed in on the Northern side of Vietnam because China, the Chinese good as we closed.

So, you know, in a way it was like really good friends. We got to see these really amazing sites that would usually be really, really busy with, domestic tourists. And they were just empty. And then, yeah, when people were just very safe, when they were over there and then we flew back into the States on the, we landed on the 10th of March, no one asked us a question.

I didn’t even get asked if I was in China. If, where I had been literally the customs agent hit on me and that was it. And I was like, Oh,

Corey: [00:19:03] cool. Yeah, it was a really, I, we were on the flight and being like, okay, we’re probably looking at a multiple hours in the custom line. I’m thinking like they’re going to be taking 25 one in every four people coming off the flight and giving them random temperature checks and stuff.

But it was honestly the fastest I’ve ever moved through customs. It was crazy. Yeah, we

Ryan: [00:19:25] actually, so we flew on the 16th of March, right. Or the 18th. And it was interesting because I think a day or two before Canada had passed a new, but some new rules about quarantine. and so they were going to be denying anyone with symptoms of coronavirus access to Canada, which meant like

Amanda: [00:19:43] even Canadians.

Ryan: [00:19:43] Yeah. So like anyone entirely. And so we got all like freaked out because we’re like, okay, well we’re. Flying from Panama where we’re like all set up, we’ve got a well-stocked department to Houston and then Houston would be the place that you would get denied entry onto our next flight. And then we’d be stuck in like this, you know, city that’s so far away from where we live, where we have no, nothing set up.

And so we work like stressed about it and. Went through U S customs like a breeze. and then, yeah, we’re kind of waiting around the airport waiting to see because, but

Corey: [00:20:13] neither, neither of us were

Ryan: [00:20:14] sick, but we were both kind of wondering like when you don’t have a, you know, you’re, you’re not w we were like, I don’t know what a normal temperature is.

I don’t know if I’m going to get a fever. Like, what if I just get a tickle in my throat at the wrong time? Not, but it was going to be like, yeah. Yeah. And so then we did happens and it’s, it’s like the most, ticking a box check. It’s like, Hey, are you guys sick right now? No, no fever. No. Okay, cool. I get on board and we’re

Corey: [00:20:38] like, that’s nicer us,

Ryan: [00:20:39] but I feel like it makes me think that we’re just like so screwed when it comes to any of these procedures, actually.


Lianne: [00:20:45] Oh, completely. Like if you look at the state, like I’ll use America as an example, just because we’ve been here. When you look at the state of the way, the cases arising and stuff. And then when we look yeah. Back to, how little security and how little people seem to care coming in. We had friends who were entering at the end of much having the same experience as us, or like no one to it’s a mess right now.

No one does.

Corey: [00:21:08] Yeah.

Amanda: [00:21:09] Yeah. It’s wild.

Lianne: [00:21:11] Yeah.

Amanda: [00:21:12] Yeah, something I’m kind of curious about just since you guys, you know, hold different passports and stuff is like what that experience was, was like for you as a couple, because, and one of the reasons I’m curious is because I have a friend who she’s Australian and she’s engaged to an American.

But she’s like, she was actually in the process of moving over to start her green card application. And they were supposed to be getting married, just a small ceremony in the spring, which obviously they couldn’t do, but she had actually been out of the country. So she had been like out of Australia. So she’d been over in Bali when all of this was heading and then she went back to Australia, but she was worried because Australia like put in the 14 day quarantine, but she was able to.

Just like cross through the airport and do it as transit and get over to the U S but that was right around the middle of March, like right. As you know, flights were getting canceled. She got like, I think on one of the last, you know, flights that was flying from Melbourne to LA at the time and was able to get over.

But I just feel like as I was talking to her, I was like, man, it must be so stressful to deal with this. And then I actually have another friend who’s Canadian, but her partner is Brazilian and she was down in Brazil at the time. And her family was like, you need to come home. That’ll be the better move.

But now like the Canadian borders closed, Brazilians aren’t allowed in. The U S right now, she can’t get into Brazil, so it’s like, they actually can’t meet up right now. And I’m just curious for you guys, being from different places, kind of was there like stress around that, like if it was going to all go okay.

And if you’d be able to kind of stay physically together during this time, I

Lianne: [00:22:49] mean, that was the biggest scare or the biggest stress was okay. Well, If we do have to split up, we don’t know if it’s going to be one month or six months or eight months. We have no idea. And I think we would, if it was any for a month, we’d be like, okay, well maybe we’d enjoy the time apart and then have a break and then we’ll meet up again.

But that was kind of the scare. And then on top of that, we had have the dog as well. So we had made some plans to go over to the UK for the summer. Then go over to Mexico for the fall and then go back to the UK for Christmas, which is going to be like the first Christmas my family has spent together in five years.

So, yeah, so it was like kind of a big deal and, you know, I never go home and yeah, we were just like, okay, well we’re in the States now, but England’s closed the UK government urging everyone to come home, but that’s not really my home. So I was like, Oh, should I stay here? Should we both go to the UK?

And then. I stopped accepting visitors and the American voter was closed, but luckily I got a one month extension. so it’s called a satisfactory departure. So when our flight got canceled, you just have to call up the customs agents and say, Hey, my flight got canceled. I can’t get another one. And luckily they approved it, but there was definitely a lot of stress going into that phone call because if I hadn’t of got my satisfactory departure, we wouldn’t have known if Corey and the dog could get into the UK for another month, two months, three months, we just wouldn’t have known.

At that time. So yeah, it was a bit stressful, but we are very fortunate and we’re very grateful for our situation and yeah, we’re, we’re we’re okay. I

Corey: [00:24:24] think it really depended on which, customs agent that we ended up talking to that day too, because Leanne had called the day before and didn’t have a good experience and that created 24 hours of stress.

And I just. Was going back and forth on if I should call on her behalf, just cause I think that I can talk to us customs a little bit more

Lianne: [00:24:42] calmly.

Corey: [00:24:43] And unfortunately the guy that I talked to was great. It was like three days before our initial flight was supposed to leave. And I. Just said, Hey, that flight’s canceled.

We’re scrambling to find something. But I saw that there’s a 30 day satisfactory departure to extend our visa. This would be fantastic to help us out. And he was like, Oh, that’s perfect. That sounds exactly what you guys need. so we’re good to go until I think the first week of July, and then we’ve got tickets.

Lianne: [00:25:07] luckily the UK bird is open to visitors in the last three weeks. So they said as long as you have a private residence to quarantine, that, which we do, because we can stay there. Some of my family, then, then him and the dog are allowed in. So.

Amanda: [00:25:23] Oh, nice. So you guys will be able to go over there, like for the summer and kind of do at least part of your plans.

Lianne: [00:25:29] So we decided, because we found out as well that we have to take the dog can usually ride in cabin, but we don’t, but in the UK there and they let dogs fly in the cargo. So we want to try and alleviate the stress for her as well. So we’re just going to go spend six months over there and try and wait this out, I guess, a little bit and go spend time with my family.

And then in January, carry on with our plans, if we can

Corey: [00:25:51] bonuses that I’ve never been to the UK. So I get just a whole new experience in six months of getting an

Lianne: [00:25:57] insight track.

Ryan: [00:26:03] pretty nice.

Amanda: [00:26:04] I

Lianne: [00:26:04] mean, he’s really positive about it, but you know what the whole climate change thing is, it’s like working in England’s favor. The rest of the world is getting destroyed, but England’s becoming a tropical Island these days. Let’s see. Let’s see.

Amanda: [00:26:19] Yeah. It’s an amazing part of the world. And you know what?

I actually really don’t like rain, but I find something very endearing about like, London a little bit rainy. Like, I feel like it’s how you see it in like movies and TV and

Lianne: [00:26:32] stuff. It’s the novelty when you’re not from there. It’s the novelty. Isn’t that? Which I totally get.

Corey: [00:26:38] Oh, there’s like, you know, her, her last experience, there is like six years ago.

I think that she’s just in these six months, there’s a good chance that she is going to come away from it being a little bit more pro UK than she is now.

Amanda: [00:26:51] Yeah, no for sure. That’s awesome. Well, I’m glad that you guys are going to get to go over there and I think it’s great that you’re planning, you know, six months over there.

That’s going to be a fun adventure, for sure. We are super excited to announce a brand new partnership that we have, and that is with better help.

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Ryan: [00:28:24] I did chat before it was on your guys’ show, small world, his podcast. And so what kind of inspired you guys to

Corey: [00:28:31] start

Ryan: [00:28:31] podcasting? And what was that process like of launching a

Corey: [00:28:34] podcast? Yeah, that’s on me. I, I been pretty advocate of podcasting for just listening in general for, I dunno, eight to nine years now.

And I. I couldn’t just leave, had been working the big grown-up job for six or seven years. And I just know me in any time I’ve gone and done a long, multiple months traveling. I usually cut it shorter than I originally planned to go because I ended up just getting, getting bored and I need something to occupy my brain.

So I. Try and figure out a project. So I do, I totally in, I was just like, I need, I’m going to need some sort of project and I’ve never like designed a website. I’ve never obviously done a podcast, but it just came to me one night when we were, when we decided to go to India, I was laying there and I couldn’t sleep.

And I was just like, I wonder if there’s a podcast, that’s a travel blog type thing, but it’s a podcast about somebody who’s backpack through India for three months. And I really searched hard. And at that time I didn’t seem to, I just didn’t search the right spots, but I didn’t find anything. So I just that’s what stemmed the idea.

And then it just grew from there. And, it really worked out well and I, I always totally, and I was like at the very worst thing is that we have this really cool thing to look back at that documented this trip. let’s not put any pressure on it. Let’s just do it, put it out there. And if people listen fantastic, but what’s more do it for us than anybody else.

So that was the original idea. And then it’s just kind of grown from there. We both seem to really like it and I think. The thing that we liked the most about it is that we seem to learn so much, like as I think it made us travel differently, we’re taking notes, we’re looking for different things that might be interesting to talk about.

And I think we get a little bit deeper experience than we did in the past.

Lianne: [00:30:15] Yeah, we definitely invest more, more time. And I I’ve always thought we had kept our eyes open anyway, but when we started to actually actively make notes and think about different kinds of people, what they would enjoy. And I think that was just something that was like, Oh, there’s actually so much more than.

We, yeah. And yeah, it was just very eye-opening wasn’t

Corey: [00:30:35] as you guys know, we’re not an early, it is much more of a workload than I think people think, I think people think you just set up a microphone, hit record, talk for awhile and then upload it. And there it is for people, but there’s a lot more to it than that.

You gotta be a little bit more organized and, and put a lot of forethought into it.

Amanda: [00:30:53] Yeah, it definitely it’s, it’s not, an easy task. And I think anyone who creates content kind of knows that you’ve got to put work into it. I mean, even at the minimum, there, there needs to be some effort with it, but I love the fact that you guys started it as, you know, just kind of a passion project and something that you thought might be interesting.

And, and. Just really set out to have conversations you were interested in. And that’s very much how we started the world wanders too. And I feel like, you know, if people ask us for advice on podcasting, which, you know, they don’t always do it, sometimes they

Lianne: [00:31:25] do sometimes.

we always say, we asked you.

Amanda: [00:31:31] Okay. Okay. Maybe you guys asked

Lianne: [00:31:33] us, like, I

Amanda: [00:31:35] don’t want to come across like, Oh, everyone’s just asking us for podcasting. because they’re not, but when people do ask, like, we are usually like, you know, do something that you feel excited about because that’s going to translate to your listeners.

Like when the passion kind of comes through, that’s when people get excited about it. And we’ve found like we’ve been through so many ups and downs with it. With our show and done so many different things. Like the moments where we’ve tried to do things in a way that we thought is what people might like is the moments when, you know, people don’t seem to like that stuff.

They seem to like

Lianne: [00:32:07] when we just do

Amanda: [00:32:08] our thing on the show and. We’ve always very much had the same approach. Like if nobody ever listens and we never made a single dollar off of it, you know, we’re still going to have these great conversations between ourselves and also, you know, really cool people like yourselves and like we’ve met so many people through the show, which I’m sure you can relate to that we may have never otherwise met.

So yeah. I love that. I love that you guys started it for that reason.

Lianne: [00:32:35] Yeah. And even, so cause our first show, small worlds, which in, they interviewed you that that was the passion project. And then even from that, we, we ended up starting our new show with the forever break podcast. which again, we were interviewing someone, we had a guest and then he was starting out this new, website and this new travel company.

And then we just kind of pitched to him. Hey, like, I view interested in having a podcast and then, you know, from this passion project, we’ve now developed it into this, into a job and hopefully a career. So yeah, it’s been a really, really, really cool journey.

Ryan: [00:33:10] Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome.

Corey: [00:33:11] And so

Ryan: [00:33:12] with the forever break podcast, what’s that show kind of going to focus on and be about,

Corey: [00:33:17] so that’s going to be a little bit, I would say that we’re, if you, the best way that I could describe it as that, Small worlds is analog and forever is going to be our, like dive into digital.

It’s just, we’re going to increase we’re up in the production quality we’re investing in better microphones. And just trying to take a little bit more care with our, How we record and the sound and everything like that. outreach to different guests, and then not just focus on travel. That was one of the things.

So we had a whole season, one set up ready to go on Southeast Asia, Bali, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand had all the outlines written, guests lined up to interview. Pandemic hits and all of a sudden we’ve got a audible and just be like, and I’m wondering if you guys have had this kind of thought between yourselves of, should we be waving these travel destinations out in front of people that they can’t necessarily go to right now?

Is that the right way to do this at this point in time? And we decided to not do so. We went to the guy that we’re partnered with. Whose name is Josh, and just kind of told him the concerns about that. And he completely agreed and was like, well, I always look at travel for forever break as being kind of the gateway drug let’s.

let’s do this another way. And let’s talk about like mindfulness, because that’s another side of this that I want to. That we want to talk to people about, we just want to get them to focus on overall just self-improvement and wellbeing. So we did an entire season on mindfulness, and I think we’ve benefited a little bit from quarantine because we were able to get some guests on the show that we might not have otherwise, but it was six weeks of just absolute.

Chaos of recording, interviewing, outlining doing everything in post production and just, we learned so much. And that was a big thing that we wanted to do is come from the position of we’re not experts on this. We’re not going to preach to people. We kind of want to be active audience members that are asking questions as we learn along the way.

Amanda: [00:35:10] Yeah, that’s awesome. I love the idea of talking about, you know, different topics that, that certainly relate to travel and travel as a lifestyle, but not necessarily destinations. And for sure we can relate to that. I mean, I think that we’ve only put out maybe like three destination episodes over the last is how long have we been doing this thing now?

Like since March, two of them were Costa Rica and we just. You know, as simply said, like, you can’t go right now, but hopefully this gives you a little bit of break of a break from quarantine and, you know, hopefully you can plan your trip in the future. And then we did, we just put out our Columbia episode.

For carnival a couple of weeks ago. And we figured, you know, carnival only happens once a year anyway. So if people were looking, they’d be looking ahead to February. And I mean, really we have, we have no idea if there’s going to be a carnival 20, 21. If I know anything about Latin America, it’s that they’ll make that happen.


Lianne: [00:36:02] yeah,

Amanda: [00:36:06] don’t really know. So yeah, it’s definitely been, it’s definitely been interesting to kind of watch that and. It does feel weird to be like, Hey, go to this place, do this thing when it’s like, well, no, we should actually all be in our houses right now. Or we should actually all be at home. Borders are closed now is not the time to take adventure travel.

but also knowing that at some point we will be able to travel again.

Lianne: [00:36:31] Exactly. And it’s like giving people, who are fortunate enough to have that hope. obviously not everyone’s in the same position, but it’s also saying, Hey, like there is light at the end of the tunnel. It’s going to be okay. And look ahead.

so I, I do like, that’s the other end of the side, isn’t it? It’s like, okay, well, you don’t want to dangle it, but it’s also given people something to look forward,

Corey: [00:36:49] especially when all the news that you’re hearing nonstop on anything is all the same thing for months. Like it just, as you know, it, it just got exhausting.

So I think that the big thing was like, well, what would. W w we want to do right now. And it’s like, well, we have the opportunity, a unique time to be able to spend a lot of time on ourselves and learning and growing and doing that type of thing. So maybe other people would gravitate towards that too. So let’s try and put out some episodes that could do something like that.

Yeah. Yeah. It’s awesome.

Ryan: [00:37:18] And definitely have to check it out. I was just looking at the list of episodes as you guys were talking I’m on Spotify, on the show. So I’m definitely really excited to check it out.

Corey: [00:37:28] Look at the epigenetics one, that one that’s our mind.

Amanda: [00:37:32] Yeah. I’m really interested in that topic just in general.

So I’m going to download that after we get off the call here. Yeah.

Lianne: [00:37:39] See, that was something I never really, well, to be honest, the whole theme of this scene, this, this, season, I didn’t re I’m not like the least mindful person ever without meaning without me, cause me whatsoever. I actually tells a friend of mine that I, that the new podcast is a mindfulness and she literally laughed and was like, Yeah, no offense, but yeah, I know.

I was like, well, actually, yeah, this is the whole point, you know, it’s not just for a certain type of person is it’s definitely been an educational experience. And even people who may be less than a, her like, Oh, well, that’s not really my thing. I urge you to listen because it wasn’t my thing. I really enjoyed it.

Amanda: [00:38:16] Yeah, I’d be curious to know, like, if you have any major takeaways from going through that season and doing all that learning as like, you know, so for claimed on mindful person

Lianne: [00:38:27] and if say there’s been time, so we’ve done a few interviews since we released it and I’ve just sat back afterwards and I’ve been like, Oh my God, I didn’t even sound like, like I sound safe developed.

Corey: [00:38:39] I think if you go through the 14 episodes of the season, like one thing that’ll happen is you’ll just. The idea of mindfulness and just taking a moment to just pause and just think about things a little bit deeper and think about your decision-making and step back away from whatever it is that’s chaotic in your life right now.

I think that those just kind of become a practice throughout it. And I know that it’s something that I’ve thought of for quite a, you at least four or five years in, but Leanne, like she said, hasn’t, but she’s. Just the word, mindfulness comes up a little bit more. She’ll just be like, Oh, what are we going to have for dinner?

And she’ll just like, pause and think about it. And like, she’ll just say it, like, I’m just being a little bit more mindful about what I’m eating or how I’m exercising. Yes.

Lianne: [00:39:20] How you’re speaking to people and you know, it’s been more sensitive to pee. I dunno. It’s just, it’s been really eyeopening. It has

Corey: [00:39:27] been a lot.


Ryan: [00:39:29] I feel like it’s like such an important kind of like mental tool to have in your toolbox to have this concept of like, Oh, like it’s something you can actively try to focus on being present. Versus I think most of us, I grew up with the idea of like, Oh, I feel really scattered. I now I feel really anxious right now, but the one we’re filming kind of happy, we’re still kind of oftentimes not really present with whatever’s going on.

So it’s like really valuable to think about, Oh, Hey, like I should try to be present. I should try to be mindful.

Lianne: [00:39:56] Yeah, especially in today’s world where, you know, so many people, especially your own quarantine, you know, finding themselves, suffering with mental illness or anxiety and maybe depression, stress.

And even my brother, he listened to an episode and he suffers from some anxiety and, he called me and was just like mind blown. It was the epigenetics episode and he was just mind blown. And you just said, wow, it’s like a weight lifted off my shoulders to her. Someone speak about this and, you know, we’ve got the experts and all of these episodes that are really educated and as well, and yeah, it was just, I think it’s just so helpful in the, in people’s mental state and yeah.

Super helpful too. Yeah. That’s amazing. I’m

Amanda: [00:40:34] really excited to listen. And I’m curious, you know, what are, what’s kind of next for you guys in terms of your podcasts, your career, the work that you’re doing, all of that good stuff.

Corey: [00:40:45] So we’re gonna, we keep going back and forth on the small world stuff we’ve been, I think we’re gonna take a little bit of a break from it through June, as we’re kind of arranging what our first month or so is going to look like in the UK, because we have to go there in quarantine for two weeks at her brother’s house.

And. that we were reading that they do spot checks. Like the government will actually come around and make sure that we’re there. And so, you know, we’ve gotta be tight on that. So we’ve just kind of got to give ourselves a little bit of a break right now. We’re kind of in the promotional phase of this first season with forever break.

And then I don’t think we’re necessarily going to dive into a destinational season yet. I think we’re going to do another season on something, whether it’s. Lifestyle related, whether it’s, some episodes on minimalism or educating people on, you know, how the climate change is affecting things around the world and just different things that we’re interested in that we want to be, educated on that hopefully other people are as well.

And, but yeah, that’s, we’re hoping to do four seasons by the end of the year. And I think probably by season three or four, we’re going to. Circle back to that original one on Southeast Asia and then, and then go from there. If we get over to the UK in Europe this summer and things open up, we’ll probably start trying to, do a couple of seasons and episodes on some different places over there.

Amanda: [00:42:04] Awesome. That sounds amazing. I’m excited to follow along and it’s been really great getting to catch up with you guys. I’m so glad that you guys are safe and well and all that good stuff. And also excited about these new projects that you’re working on. If people want to learn more about you guys. listened to your shows, where can they go to find all of

Lianne: [00:42:22] that?

Yep. So on the internet, you just go to the website forever forward slash podcast. And we’re also available if you just search forever break on Spotify, Google play Stitcher, Apple podcasts.

Corey: [00:42:39] No, but we really appreciate you guys having us on and, and great to catch up with you as well. What, what, Unique time.

I’m happy you guys are safe and sound and, hopefully just plan on having a great summer up in Canada.

Amanda: [00:42:50] Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. We’re, we’re counting on it, but yeah, it’s crazy to think that we talked to you guys right. As you were about to head out to Indonesia and we were like, you know, had just left Canada to be in Mexico.

So it’s pretty well that we’re both like back at home after all these travels and pandemic quarantine, all this stuff.

Lianne: [00:43:08] I know, right. It just

Corey: [00:43:09] makes it run down Melbourne. I’m thinking back to it. We are in the same house that we originally talked to you guys.

Amanda: [00:43:16] So funny, weird,

Corey: [00:43:18] smaller places. I know it’s crazy,

Lianne: [00:43:20] but who knows where we’ll be?

Next time we have a catch-up

Amanda: [00:43:24] yeah, yeah, for sure. Thanks guys.

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